
Two portraits in the Dining Room pay homage to two different 1st Earls of Carnarvon. The two men lived a century apart. The earlier first Earl of Carnarvon died fighting for King Charles I in the battle of Newbury in 1643. The second first Earl of Carnarvon was born in 1741 and was created an Earl in 1793 by King George III, both a King in real life and one of the characters made memorable in the musical “Hamilton”.
There is some confusion as to exactly how and when the first earldom became extinct. Following his death in battle, the first “first Earl’s” title and estates passed to his son Charles who had three daughters and a son. Family tales relate that this son, also called Charles, died without an heir in London in the plague of 1665 making the Carnarvon title dormant but there are no records to confirm exactly when and where he died.
The plague was followed a year later by the Great Fire of London which began on 6th September 1666 and destroyed homes, churches, livelihoods and letters – wills, legal disputes, contracts and records of births, marriages and deaths. An enormous chunk of history was lost which recorded the everyday lives of Londoners and Charles could well have been one of the gaps.
They did try to save some records. Many books and papers along with stocks from printers and booksellers were rushed into the crypt of St Paul’s Cathedral in the hope that the thick stone walls offered a safe refuge. Unfortunately, there was a lot of wooden scaffolding for various restoration projects around the cathedral which ignited. The cathedral burnt down leaving only a ruin.
The fire spread quickly. London had been a Roman settlement for four centuries with a defensive city wall within which was an increasingly overcrowded medieval street plan. Little winding cobbled alleyways with overhanging balconies jutting out across the street restricted access and provided narrow gaps which were easily jumped by the flames.
Popular reports suggest that hardly anyone died in the fire but given the loss of written records this may be an optimistic assessment. It would have been very hard to verify either way.
After the fire, flight from London and settlement elsewhere were strongly encouraged by Charles II who feared rebellion amongst the dispossessed refugees. Various schemes for rebuilding the city were proposed, some of them very radical, but for all the new ideas for improvements, London was reconstructed on essentially the same medieval street plan as before and which still exists today.
How do we research history? Usually it is from primary sources: state and church records, censuses, letters, diaries and books. Old writing is hard to decipher and language and spellings change but someone held a pen and put their thoughts into words so that you and I can read them. Sometimes there are quite a few diary entries and then they just stop, not necessarily for a dramatic reason. Who has not begun a diary and stopped, perhaps picked it up again and continued before life intervenes and the writing stops again.
However, I wonder how it will work in the future with our ever-increasing reliance on electronic record keeping? “Paper” in all its myriad forms has managed to last for millennia but I wonder if computer chips be as resilient.
As each new development in technology makes the previous form obsolete, will anyone be able to read what we leave behind. I pondered this as I opened a stack of boxes of DVDs I was kindly sent this week from a collaborative TV show we did last year. My much younger team looked at them, exclaimed they hadn’t seen a DVD for years and pointed out that very few people had DVD players anymore and certainly not anyone they knew. I kept quiet about my own collection but also thought that perhaps I also might check whether my DVD player actually still worked although of course record players are now coming back into vogue.
I am sad for future historians. finding a traunch of love letters lovingly tied with a grosgrain ribbon secreted away in a forgotten corner of an attic is impossible in our super-ephemeral, nostalgia-free time.
My dearest Lady Fiona,
How i admire milady’s research.
Memorable.
In love knowing all of this.
Magnificent.
Congratulations.
Lovely week.
Cheers.
VILLA ALEMÃ
RIO CLARO- SP
BRAZIL.
We have many of our pictures saved in the “cloud”. I’m not necessarily a fan of the cloud because I’m of a generation that placed photos in albums, shoe boxes etc. Essentially easier (at least for me) to get to than searching through myriad filenames, computer drive locations etc.
However, I do admit that it is nice to see a picture on the screen of an electronic device and being able to manipulate the photograph not to mention print if I want a hard copy.
Your blog was ever so interesting in regards to the history of the fire and the new “paperless” era we seem to be in now. A committee at our church was debating as to whether or not we needed a paper recounting of our upcoming 25th church anniversary seeing that so many people have everything on their phone these days. It was mentioned that the ever changing technology could in fact leave us without a history for future parishioners to read about or see in pictures, Thanks for reaffirming our idea to go ahead with the “old fashioned” way of doing things. Always enjoy your blogs and the pictures that accompany them.
…and life is a circle!
SO interesting once again, and as I do each week, something new to learn. Thank you for that.
Oh yes, I love my DVDs and my 91 year old mother loves her older VHS. When I retreat to the lake every summer it is the old portable record player that accompanies me thanks to our little solar panel. A mix of old and new technologies. I do use emails, cellphones but I also like to put pen in hand for birthday and Christmas cards. I guess I am a mixed bag!
Dear Lady Carnarvon
Why were there two first Earls of Carnarvon? How does that come to be?
Kim Daniels
Because the first ‘line’ died out a relative and descendant could choose to revitalise it once more when offered a peerage
I, too, am concerned about the progression of history through electronic media. I just bought a new computer and had to buy a separate DVD/CD drive. So many save their documents and photographs on the ‘Cloud’, but that is really just someone else’s computer. When will it become obsolete?
For my immediate history I am collecting my favorite photographs into printed digital photo albums. These I’ve added to my dozens of traditional photograph albums. We are preparing to celebrate our golden wedding anniversary, and I recently began labeling the items in my memory trunk, least my daughters open it years from now and puzzle over the odds and ends.
History is global, but it is also individual. It is important to pass along the family stories.
Although the digital recording era has its advantages, I do think it is sad that we may be losing some of the personal traits of one’s personal recordings in one’s own handwriting. Thank goodness we have so many writing from those from the past. It’s lovely to see their penmanship & their choice of words plus their choice of paper. England is blessed to have so many great houses that have stores of irreplaceable handwritten diaries, legers, etc.
I just read today’s blog aloud to my husband. He too enjoyed it! Is it known how the 1666 London fire started?
We are in our 60s and still
have DVDs. He is saying how good our SONY DVD player still works.
Also – you know have me pondering your closing thoughts about no longer have “paper”
records and how long will chips and thumb drives last?!!
Have a lovely week Lady Carnarvon.
Ina Sue (Washington State, USA)
Oh, what an important issue! Currently, I have a stack of old floppy discs that need investigating, but finding the portable drive I bought a few years ago, is proving to be an issue. Most of the info on them will be inconsequential, but there be a nugget or two that I want to keep. And as you so rightly ask, where will I keep the careful gleaned information. In the cloud?
One big solar flare could wipe that out. It’s definitely a conundrum.
Regards, Detta
Lovely the pictures of record and did you and lord Carnarvon have a wonderful weekend and lam fan of Downton Abbey and lovely visit highcelere castle
Thank you Karen. We were open to the public this weekend and the weather was good to us.
Best wishes
Lady Carnarvon
Dear Lady Carnarvon, thank you for sharing another piece of history! I must be old then, I love my Downton DVD’s!
I enjoy your writing so much. You paint a picture of centuries gone by as though you were present. It’s such a shame so much history went up in flames. Perhaps they chose to rebuild in the same footprint because they were trying to get something back after so much had suddenly disappeared? The weather here gifted us with cooler temps and much welcomed rain.
Enjoy your week. Take care.
Susan from Texas
Good Day Lady Carnarvon,
As I’m doing my family’s tree and doing research from what my parents have done, I’m running into issues as well due to lack of records. There are some for a descendant during the Civil War and not for a sibling. Same goes for those that served in WWI & WWII. Quite interesting what I’m finding out. Then out of nowhere I will see that one was in the Revolutionary War. What a conundrum, just have to shake my head and giggle.
Hope you have a great Monday.
Sincerely,
Sandy Newton
Such a complicated history which endeavors one to dig deeper.
It is quite amazing how dvds are rarely seen today. Do you watch movies from dvds with your nieces and nephews when it is Christmas? I hope you and Lord Carnarvon had a lovely summer opening.
We play cluedo and do puzzles!
As a traditionalist I am not pleased with how newly and updated electronic communicators and info keeper is replacing a lot of written keepers on paper and in books, as remember how Encyclopedias and Dictionaries and other Record Bookkeeping was SO popular and useful & knowledgeable but don’t seem to exist world wide today. That also caused job loss for those who crated and published & sold those. Save via VHSs and DVDs sadly.
Good luck with Highclere Castle History documents from the past and going forward.
Remain well,
It bothers me, too. The two milk crates of segmented notes will soon be removed and my writing the next gardening book will begin this fall. Having had the tragedy of losing data before, I will be literally be printing as I go. I no longer trust technology but must use it. It is the number of my Facebook and Instagram followers, not just the content that publishers seek and that is now my focus.
As an author, the knowledge that copies of my books (and yours on my shelf) will survive in homes and libraries makes it all worthwhile. We will live on. No e-books for me.
Hello Lady Carnarvon.
Some kids today, get a book and are unable to find the USB / POWER connection.
How times have changed.
Carry on Highclere.
regards
Love all the history and it has conjured up questions. How did the fire start? Would like to hear/read report of what people did after such a devastating event, how they survived, rebuilt etc. So interesting. As to paper documents, they are priceless and always a great loss when gone. Such a treasure when discovered somewhere.
I too have wondered how well my digitized photos will be preserved and miss my DVD player (have one in the car and stalling on replacing car because of it).
Thanks for another interesting and enjoyable post.
Noreen USA
Hello Lady Carnarvon!
Fascinating! I never knew that about the Great Fire in London. Thank you. The pictures are excellent!
DVD’s are still purchased and played here at my house. We love them. But yes, I wonder how long this technology will last. Having written paper records and pictures might be low tech, but will last forever. My husband and I are currently working on converting pictures from our phones to actual prints. And restoring older photos so they will last longer. Technology might change, but not a printed photo.
Thank you for your blog and have a great week!
Cynthia
Hi,
When i look at all the pictures of your abbey on “Downton Abbey” series, and then see all that you allow us to see here, on your website, you home such greater Glamour, Style, and a Graceful warmth to it. They are very rewarding,, and Cherished photos to recall.
Thank You ever so much,
Your LOYAL Follower,
John Roberts
Tonawanda, N.Y.
USA
Lady Carnarvon,
We have a cabinet FULL of CDs, from classical to jazz that caused us to buy a CD player when we downsized and moved to retirement living. We have not played one CD since that purchase! We live in an “ought to _____ sometime” land! Maybe allowing us to hold on to the past is due to wanting it with us as it has more events to remember than we might expect to experience in the future. And thanks for another thought-provoking post! As the Dowager Duchess said, “Carry on.”
Martha
There is something special about finding a handwritten diary or letter from the past because a little of the writer’s personality is in the handwriting. It makes me somewhat sad that most people of my kids’ ages (26 & 22) and younger never have learned how to write in cursive because lessons were put aside for standardized testing prep and “…who needs it anyway, they write everything on computer or print.” Heck, my son-in-law (29) cannot even read what I write in cursive!
Don’t get me wrong, I love the technology, it has so many uses that make our lives easier; but I do love a handwritten note or writing a list that I can check off. Everything has its place and purpose, I suppose.
Although writing electronically is certainly easy, there is beauty in the actual physical written word. I think it would be sad to lose the handwritten record and word especially of those we hold dear. I think discerning when to handwrite and when to record electronically will be important.
Thank you for always sharing interesting history and your insights!
I write a diary every day. I am now in my 70’s – so I have kept a diary for almost 60 years!! I keep them in shoe boxes in a warm loft!!
Again thank you for teaching us the history of Highclere.. I hadn’t thought of the fire destroying historical records to that magnitude. I hope to see your magnificent home someday! We are planning for summer 2026 for our 45th wedding anniversary!
Best regards!
Denise
(Powell, OH)
See you then!
I have many DVDs and my DVD player is at least 25 years old – it looks like it should be in a museum but it still works. Books and written records are also really fascinating.
I love history, especially of Great Britain, and I find it sad that our people are not taught more of it in school. Some schools cover the English Civil War, Oliver Cromwell and the New Model Army but hardly any mention the Battle of Newbury or other local battles.
We have a wealth of history which we need to know which shows us who we are, where our values come from and which can also sometimes warn us against making the same mistakes as our ancestors. Oliver Cromwell’s new regime was not a success – we can see why if we do a little research.
I was fascinated to hear the history about the first Earl of Carnarvon and his son in London. I am guessing that the two first earls were not related? Thank you for the blog.
Best wishes
Moira
They were distantly related
VERY INTERESTING STORY .
THANK YOU
I have kept hand written journals for some 50 years. I hope someone will find them interesting as long as they can read cursive handwriting.
Red Wing, MN
Dear Lady Carnarvon,
Thank you for another lovely blog, I love history and like so many others who have commented, it is sad that technology has taken over, I still watch DVD’s and like sending birthday and Christmas cards, and writing letters, I also love receiving them, there is something nice to receive a letter or card.
Have a lovely week.
Best wishes
Lorraine xx
It is so nice – I keep them!
I love my CDs and DVDs. I paid a lot of money for these and I use them.
I agree about history. Even Ancestry is ‘online’. I don’t know how to print out a hard copy of my family tree. I have only a grand nephew. I don’t know how to save my work for him
Hi Kathryn, you can get help with Ancestry and other programs either from your local genealogical society or through the huge number of how-to videos and articles on Ancestry and YouTube. If your nephew isn’t interested in your work you can will it to a genealogy library in the area(s) where your ancestors resided. You should be in contact with such libraries in advance of your demise and find out whether they are interested in your work or not. If they are then they can also tell you what you need to know to make sure they receive the materials. Finally, the Latter Day Saints genealogy libraries are happy to have your work uploaded to their site where it will be preserved forever.
Dear Lady Carnarvon:
I am in my 80s now and as a retiree, I spent the past twenty-five years doing genealogy for my family and my John James Audubon connection. I have learned to type most everything of importance onto paper. My concern has been what to do with the originating documents. First I send copies of what I have typed to a number of people who are interested or the subjects of what I have written, such as their particular family history. That way most likely one of them will save it for their kids. Original documents or important items from searches are put into my bank’s safety deposit box. Many of them are old and delicate and should not be handled other than with gloves. Often I write an essay of sorts to recap each generation that I have documented, and many of these include interesting and fun stories about the ancestors, all of which I share.
Susan Davis
Bandon, Oregon (USA)
Lady Carnarvon,
I think part of the charm of London are the “Diagonalleys” to be found!
It is interesting to me that they rebuilt in the same manner.
Thank you for your weekly historical lessons.
It is a rather wonderful city
Fascinating history. Enjoyed!
Lady Carnarvon,
I, too, worry about the loss of primary sources for future generations. People no longer write letters to each other. Photos are taken and saved digitally, on a cell phone. As a retired teacher, I had my students refer to primary sources routinely in order to back up their ideas and conclusions, especially when learning history. One of the greatest pleasures of my life was to find, while cleaning out my Grandmother’s house after she passed, two bundles of letters. One was a set of letters written to my Grandmother from my Mother, her daughter, after she married my Father. Written just before my Father was sent to Korea during that conflict, I was able to get a glimpse of my young parents. The second packet held letters from my Grandfather to my Grandmother, written as he served in the US Navy during WW2. His ship was a supply ship that resupplied goods to men fighting on Iwo Jima during that battle. The letter that touched me most was the one that stated “We are returning to the island with more supplies, but this time our supplies are Marines.” He then described the fear in their eyes. What a loss not to have this type of primary source for future generations. Thank you so much for your thought provoking Monday message.
Perhaps it has been said in previous comments, I believe the fire began on 2 September 1666 which makes today an anniversary of sorts. Believed to have begun in a bakery. Thanks for all your blogs. Much enjoyed. Dennis Nickerson
Another lovely read – thank you!
Greetings from Sydney, Australia
I sometimes wonder if future generations will hear about rumours that their ancestors didn’t leave any records because these got lost in a mysterious cloud…
My hometown was nearly completely destroyed during a fire in 1656. I never saw the similarities to London.
Living in Ohio, USA; We still have a record player which I received from my parents for my 8th grade graduation, a transistor radio ( wireless) which was my Dad’s and a DVD player and something else that is also becoming a bit extinct, a camera! All are operational and fun to use occasionally!
It is funny – I had to purchase DVD player yesterday because we purchased a few DVDs (English Literature course BTW) and our old player, not used for ~10 years, refused to work…
Best, Julia and Alex Sakowski
Lady Carnarvon,
The fire of London is a fascinating subject to me. Thanks for providing more information on it, as well as the history of the 1st Earl of Carnarvon.
What you say about information and the cloud makes perfect sense. In our house, we have some DVD’s and CD’s and even some old VHS players, but the amount of books trumps all of them. There’s something about paper that the other media cannot replace. And, when the electricity or internet is out, one can still read.
Hoping that your September is coming along nicely. West Texas has had rain today, but, here, when it rains, in pours and then floods. No moderation.
Maybe we should all stop and remember that’s the only thing that last forever are faith hope and love!
Records, especially our family records, are so valuable to our generations. However, I’m unsure the teenagers of today will be as interested as us. Our Welsh cousin spent years trawling through many old church in the Valleys to find our descendants. Thank goodness he did. Not that we have anyone other than a 3 times great grandfather of note.
I’ve used my iPhone to capture old family photos, so future generations can look at them, if they want to. Old video tapes were converted to DVD format but it’s so difficult to get these wonderful machines repaired now – they’re considered obsolete. Our DVD collection, like yours, is extensive so I hope our recorder/player will last us another 15 years! I’m glad you’re of like mind.
I’m late in responding, but I too have a DVD collection. One motivating factor for me was that if I had all of my movies/music solely online, the dreaded prospect of a paywall could come up if a third party company bought out my provider. Like what happened with Photobucket.
Dear Lady Carnarvon:
I do not know how I missed this particular e-mail and apologize for the late reply.
Thank you for this Monday’s blog, and for sharing the short history on record keeping and the Great Fire of London.
Personally, I have my films, important documents, important documents, and records on both paper and digital (in the cloud). I still maintain a handwritten Rolodex of all my contacts, even though the same is stored on my cellphone.
As you, likewise, I have movies and programs both on compact disks and DVDs, which I will occasionally watch utilizing the appropriate player and/or insert into the side of the television for viewing.
Until next week, happy record keeping.
Perpetua Crawford